"Look at the legalized adultery we call divorce.
Men marry one wife after another and are still admitted into good
society; and women do likewise. There are thousands of supposedly
respectable men in American living with other men's wives, and thousands
of supposedly respectable women living with other women's husbands."
- R. A. Torrey From R.A. Torrey's book How to Pray, pages 94-95
R.A. Torrey (1856-1928) was a very well-known Christian writer,
evangelist, pastor, graduate of Yale University, and was also the
superintendent of Moody Bible Institute for 19 years.
TRINITY BARS THE
DIVORCED.; No Remarriage in the Church or Any of the Chapels.
The clergy of Trinity Church announced yesterday that under no
circumstances will divorced persons be married by any of the clergy of
that Episcopal parish, nor will such marriages be permitted either in
the church at Wall Street and Broadway or in any one of the parish's
eight chapels. The announcement was as follows:
View full article New York Times
December 7, 1904, Wednesday
Comment/question
There is no condemnation for those in Christ
Jesus.
Response
"WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE
SPIRIT"..............read also verses 13-14. It's very important that we
take ALL scripture in context and not pull one out here and one out
there to apply it to our situations......May we all be blessed as we
seek HIS face and will for our lives according to His Word.
Comment/question
While the repentant harlot is not physically a
virgin, their is no record of their sins of harlotry. They ARE a new
creation. As are all repentant sinners.
All repentant sinners are free of their sins. But apparently there are
some here that disagree with that fact of Scripture.
Response
If one is guilty of adultery, repentance means
they will quit the adultery---not stay in it. You are correct in that if
one comes to faith in Jesus as a 'harlot', forsaking their life as a
harlot, their sins are remembered no more. However, as we all know,
harlotry is a sin. Marriage is not a sin to be repented of/therefore
forgiven of. Divorce and a subsequent adulterous union are sin,
therefore repentance in those cases are necessary to be in true
fellowship with the Lord.
Comment/question
And if this is what Jesus meant when Jesus
Himself said that WHOSOEVER divorces their spouse and marries another
commits adultery...........and.............whosoever marries one
divorced commits adultery.
Then this comparison in Mal 2 does nothing to
represent Christ, or that detestable thing that was committed in
There is no comparison…
Because if
Response
The problem you have is proving that what
Jesus calls adultery is a lawful, binding marriage in His sight. I see
absolutely nothing in scripture which leads to the belief that joining
oneself with another's spouse then makes that one a lawful spouse in the
sight of God. As was said earlier many times, adultery was a stonable
offense----a punishment given by God Himself. Can you provide scripture
which shows that the relationship God calls sin (adultery) is now
sanctioned and JOINED by Him?
Comment/question
Again what is your point?
If one has forsaken their sin in Christ then
are they forgiven of that sin, how is it that they are in a state of
perpetual sin once it has been forgiven?
Response
As I said, if you can show me how that sinful
relationship now has changed into a lawful one----joined by God, I would
be glad to see that. If not, then I am inclined to believe, as I would
with other sins, that what was adultery before confession is still
adultery AFTER confession. The one who truly repents will stop the
adultery from continuing.......because the person who was not their
spouse before confession is STILL not their spouse in God's eyes.
Comment/question
I think my point is not coming through
clearly. There is forgiveness offered to the repentant murderer, child
molester, spouse abuser, thief, etc. Where is the forgiveness for the
divorcees or the remarried, if you believe these are sins committed? The
murderer cannot bring back the dead but they can move on and live life.
The molester cannot remove the scars left but they can receive
forgiveness and move on in life, but for those who have divorced or been
divorced and remarry, there is no forgiveness unless they give up their
current spouse. They cannot decide to make this current marriage
lifelong and commit to not making the same mistakes they did in the
past.
Response
The Lord has called ALL to forsake their sin
and return to Him and He will show mercy: "He who covers his sins will
not prosper, but whoever confesses AND forsakes them will have mercy."
Prov. 29:13
If a child molester confesses AND forsakes their sinfulness, there is no
guilt. If a murderer confesses AND forsakes murdering, there is no
longer guilt. If an adulterer confesses AND forsakes their adultery(the
unlawful union), there is no guilt. You are asking that some CONTINUE in
their sin and NOT have guilt. This does not agree with
scripture..........the Lord demands Holiness in those who call on His
name.
Let me ask you a question: Would you feel AOK with
attending a church with an active homosexual pastor, or a pastor who is
openly fornicating or encouraging fornication to occur under the guise
of "grace"? Would you feel ok that a church is telling it's people to
"only look at your own sins", ignore the rest of God's Word that shows
how sin allowed to remain in the camp causes MORE sin?
Let me ask you another question, does the Blood of Jesus not only wash
of our sins, but also give us the power not to CONTINUE in sin? Did He
save us only to leave us in our past condition, with no power to change
our lives to cause us to be more like Him? See, I do believe in the Love
of Jesus----why? Because I was a BIG sinner and I KNOW His power to
change a life. As He makes known sin in my life, and all true believer's
lives, they CHANGE more and more into HIS image. We do not stay the
same. When Jesus came upon the woman at the well, He did not say,
"you're ok just the way you are". He let her know that He KNOWS her sin.
What He also let her know is this: if you "drink" of me, you will never
be the same again----your life WILL Change!!!
We all have a "past" so to speak, some of our pasts are worse than
others. Yet the truth is, if we truly do submit our lives to Christ (we
DIE to self), our lives WILL change. If we are liars, we will hate
lying............if we are adulterers, we will hate
adultery...........if we are fornicators, we will hate fornication, if
we are covetous, we will hate coveting..........
We hate these things when we are walking in the Spirit. When we are
walking in the flesh, we do not hate these things, we justify/excuse
them away, we practice them, etc. In the manner we walk, so shall we
reap-------in the flesh, destruction. In the Spirit, peace and eternal
life. Read all of Romans 8..............
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